Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 07:24 am:
For me, I would love to hear songs that he has not done live often
1) These Days
2) Old Home Town
3) Ocean In His Eyes
-Cowpoke
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Re: See You There
Re: See You There
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 06:28 am:
Here's a thought guys. If Glen rang up and said I will pop round to your house this evening and I will sing three songs just for you (without reverb) What would you have him sing, Just Glen and his guitar.
I know what I would like.
-Mike Joyce
Here's a thought guys. If Glen rang up and said I will pop round to your house this evening and I will sing three songs just for you (without reverb) What would you have him sing, Just Glen and his guitar.
I know what I would like.
-Mike Joyce
Re: See You There
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 07:27 am:
Same thing here Cowpoke, only I was looking in a mirror.
-Mike Joyce
Same thing here Cowpoke, only I was looking in a mirror.
-Mike Joyce
Re: See You There
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 04:23 am:
That's very true Mike. It's all a matter of taste. I once saw a picture of a famous moviestar with unusual lightning, which highlighted the lines on her face. A friend of mine said they made her look bad, I just loved the picture and the face.
-Cowpoke
That's very true Mike. It's all a matter of taste. I once saw a picture of a famous moviestar with unusual lightning, which highlighted the lines on her face. A friend of mine said they made her look bad, I just loved the picture and the face.
-Cowpoke
Re: See You There
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 06:06 pm:
Cowpoke, Glen has a great voice but I'm sure you can appreciate room acoustics very greatly. Linda Ronstadt made that point herself recently in one of her articles that was posted here.She stated that certain studios made a massive difference to the overall sound that they achieved on the finished records. Musical instruments,theatres and Hifi systems all vary in this regard. That's just the way it is. Glen,even says himself that his voice sounds better when he lies down. Remember the PBS concert special bonus feature. I love Glen's voice and if he sang at my house I would be more than honoured to have him here.
But the fact remains producers can mix sound and make a tremendous difference to the finished songs the instrument mix and the tone of the voice.
If I was asked to touch up the paint work on a Monet I doubt the critics would be that impressed.
Having said all that, People are saying good things about the album and I would not disagree, with any of it, because if that's how they feel that is a subjective opinion.
-Mike Joyce
Cowpoke, Glen has a great voice but I'm sure you can appreciate room acoustics very greatly. Linda Ronstadt made that point herself recently in one of her articles that was posted here.She stated that certain studios made a massive difference to the overall sound that they achieved on the finished records. Musical instruments,theatres and Hifi systems all vary in this regard. That's just the way it is. Glen,even says himself that his voice sounds better when he lies down. Remember the PBS concert special bonus feature. I love Glen's voice and if he sang at my house I would be more than honoured to have him here.
But the fact remains producers can mix sound and make a tremendous difference to the finished songs the instrument mix and the tone of the voice.
If I was asked to touch up the paint work on a Monet I doubt the critics would be that impressed.
Having said all that, People are saying good things about the album and I would not disagree, with any of it, because if that's how they feel that is a subjective opinion.
-Mike Joyce
Re: See You There
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 03:53 pm:
So... if you guys were in a living room with Glen and he would sing for you, you would say: that's nice Glen, but with a little more reverb you would sound so much better? To my ears, Glen sounds wonderful on There's No Me Without You on SYT.
-Cowpoke
So... if you guys were in a living room with Glen and he would sing for you, you would say: that's nice Glen, but with a little more reverb you would sound so much better? To my ears, Glen sounds wonderful on There's No Me Without You on SYT.
-Cowpoke
Re: See You There
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 02:34 pm:
You are right there Cowpoke,
And if you listen to There's no me without you. on GOTC CD and compare Glen's voice on SYT, They didn't add any reverb so it does sound flat which is a production issue.I think we would all agree that they talked about stripping the music down to the basics but they seem to have left too many rough edges. Glen is still a great talent and as you say for someone at 76 to sound as good as he does is tremendous. Even his hey day albums would have had some reverb as is just added a richer tone to the vocals.There's nothing wrong in that even new artists like to use that feature in production. I personally would have preferred a slightly richer sound. I have guitars which sound very top ended and have no real bass sound and I have not bothered with them over the years. Its a matter of taste I guess.
-Mike Joyce
You are right there Cowpoke,
And if you listen to There's no me without you. on GOTC CD and compare Glen's voice on SYT, They didn't add any reverb so it does sound flat which is a production issue.I think we would all agree that they talked about stripping the music down to the basics but they seem to have left too many rough edges. Glen is still a great talent and as you say for someone at 76 to sound as good as he does is tremendous. Even his hey day albums would have had some reverb as is just added a richer tone to the vocals.There's nothing wrong in that even new artists like to use that feature in production. I personally would have preferred a slightly richer sound. I have guitars which sound very top ended and have no real bass sound and I have not bothered with them over the years. Its a matter of taste I guess.
-Mike Joyce
Re: See You There
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 11:27 am:
Stephen and Mike Joyce, I appreciate your honesty. It results in an interesting discussion. Here's what I think.
The case of Postcard from Paris is an interesting one. Because the vocal take that was used on "See You There" is the exact same as the one they used on the MP3 album of "Ghost on the Canvas. How can one and the same vocal take sound, in Stephen's words, tired and worn on one album and youthful on the other? The same can be said for "What I Wouldn't Give" and, although it was a slightly different take, "There's No Me Without You".
So to say, that MGC and GOTC prove that (next to the production) a few retakes can produce a much better album, puzzles me. Because, they were the same takes! And, all the other vocal tracks were also produced by Julian Raymond, who wasn't afraid to ask for a retake if he thought it was needed.
The only real difference is the production.
I think that one can be easily misled by the powers of studio technology. The production techniques used on MGC and Ghost were designed to make Glen sound younger, with the goal to approach his classic sound. Nothing wrong with that, the results were wonderful. On See You There however, all that studio wizardry was left out. What we hear, is how Glen sounded as a 73/74 year old human being. Mind you, still an exceptionally talented singer, but with the cracks in his voice that come with age.
I just feel very grateful for that fact that they let us listen to Glen's weathered (but at the same time strong, subtle, beautiful, heartbreaking) voice, on this last album. Maybe it is less perfect that MGC, but it's very moving.
-Cowpoke
Stephen and Mike Joyce, I appreciate your honesty. It results in an interesting discussion. Here's what I think.
The case of Postcard from Paris is an interesting one. Because the vocal take that was used on "See You There" is the exact same as the one they used on the MP3 album of "Ghost on the Canvas. How can one and the same vocal take sound, in Stephen's words, tired and worn on one album and youthful on the other? The same can be said for "What I Wouldn't Give" and, although it was a slightly different take, "There's No Me Without You".
So to say, that MGC and GOTC prove that (next to the production) a few retakes can produce a much better album, puzzles me. Because, they were the same takes! And, all the other vocal tracks were also produced by Julian Raymond, who wasn't afraid to ask for a retake if he thought it was needed.
The only real difference is the production.
I think that one can be easily misled by the powers of studio technology. The production techniques used on MGC and Ghost were designed to make Glen sound younger, with the goal to approach his classic sound. Nothing wrong with that, the results were wonderful. On See You There however, all that studio wizardry was left out. What we hear, is how Glen sounded as a 73/74 year old human being. Mind you, still an exceptionally talented singer, but with the cracks in his voice that come with age.
I just feel very grateful for that fact that they let us listen to Glen's weathered (but at the same time strong, subtle, beautiful, heartbreaking) voice, on this last album. Maybe it is less perfect that MGC, but it's very moving.
-Cowpoke
Re: See You There
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2013 - 10:11 am:
Hi Stephen,
Very well said. I agree, MGC and GOTC did have better productions and as I have said previously I also felt Glen's live version of Post card from Paris touched me deeply to the point of tears. The live version is on you tube. I don't imagine Glen had intended these vocals to be put out on a CD and I just wonder why they were recorded in the first place, what was the thinking behind it. As you mention if an album had been the idea surely Glen or the producers would have done some retakes so that Glen's best efforts were the final result.
A simple arrangement would still be easy to achieve with just Glen on guitar and or with a piano. I loved when Glen sang on stage three or four tunes with just his guitar. That to me really showed off his talent. Sadly we can not turn back the clock.
PS.
Stephen, as mentioned before I found your broken window analogy in a previous post very inspiring and I said I might use it in a song.Well I have now used it in a song I composed. I will of course put your name on as co writer. I will record it and put it on YT or something so you can hear it.
I hope that's OK with you.I don't think it will enable you to retire yet though.
-Mike Joyce
Hi Stephen,
Very well said. I agree, MGC and GOTC did have better productions and as I have said previously I also felt Glen's live version of Post card from Paris touched me deeply to the point of tears. The live version is on you tube. I don't imagine Glen had intended these vocals to be put out on a CD and I just wonder why they were recorded in the first place, what was the thinking behind it. As you mention if an album had been the idea surely Glen or the producers would have done some retakes so that Glen's best efforts were the final result.
A simple arrangement would still be easy to achieve with just Glen on guitar and or with a piano. I loved when Glen sang on stage three or four tunes with just his guitar. That to me really showed off his talent. Sadly we can not turn back the clock.
PS.
Stephen, as mentioned before I found your broken window analogy in a previous post very inspiring and I said I might use it in a song.Well I have now used it in a song I composed. I will of course put your name on as co writer. I will record it and put it on YT or something so you can hear it.
I hope that's OK with you.I don't think it will enable you to retire yet though.
-Mike Joyce
Re: See You There
Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 07:48 am:
Hi Stephen, I was thinking about this last night. And I wonder whether our scores reflect the regret we feel, as these last three albums have also been produced as Glen's health has deteriorated over the last few years. As I have said before we have enjoyed Glen's work when he was in his prime and to hear Glen as his vocal abilities are not at there peak is bound to leave us some what disappointed not just for Glen but also for what we as fans are aware we are losing in our own lifes. Glen has been the musical backdrop to most of my life and I never imagined this time would ever approach. For Glen or for me. Lately it seems all those I grew up with are suffering in one way or another and we are losing the talents of a number of great artists.However in Glen's case I still feel very lucky to have followed him all these years and find that he has consistently produced outstanding work for over 50 years. That really puts Glen in a bracket all of his own.
In anyone's book that is worth 10 out of 10.
-Mike Joyce
Hi Stephen, I was thinking about this last night. And I wonder whether our scores reflect the regret we feel, as these last three albums have also been produced as Glen's health has deteriorated over the last few years. As I have said before we have enjoyed Glen's work when he was in his prime and to hear Glen as his vocal abilities are not at there peak is bound to leave us some what disappointed not just for Glen but also for what we as fans are aware we are losing in our own lifes. Glen has been the musical backdrop to most of my life and I never imagined this time would ever approach. For Glen or for me. Lately it seems all those I grew up with are suffering in one way or another and we are losing the talents of a number of great artists.However in Glen's case I still feel very lucky to have followed him all these years and find that he has consistently produced outstanding work for over 50 years. That really puts Glen in a bracket all of his own.
In anyone's book that is worth 10 out of 10.
-Mike Joyce